Professional Practices Overview

Speaker 0 00:00:01 Hi, I'm Erin Alki Speaker 1 00:00:03 And I'm Austin Shaw. Speaker 0 00:00:05 This is between the key frames. This week's episode, we're gonna be talking about kind of an intro to professional practices. Now this is something that you teach. So, um, you have nuanced kind of agenda for us. And when I was looking at it, I was really like, wow, this is, this is lot of episodes. Cuz once we get into like little things, there's a lot of granular stuff to talk about. Speaker 1 00:00:38 All right. All right. Where should we start? Well, I like to definitions. I like words and what they mean mm-hmm <affirmative> so I have a definition for professional, the noun definition, one, a person engaged or qualified in a profession definition, two, a person engaged in a specified activity as a main paid occupation rather than as a ass time. So right. Uh, that's something I usually will start a class with that with students. I'm like, let's talk about what is a professional and, and yeah. You know, the, the, the slang way of saying it is like we get paid, we get paid to be professional designers, right? Like that's what a professional designer is. It's someone that gets paid. It's not just a hobby. It's not something that do we just do for, I mean, hopefully we're having fun when we do it, but it's, it's what supports our, our livelihoods and, and just, I think that idea too, of like, well, what does that mean? What does it mean to be a professional? Speaker 0 00:01:34 Well, I think it's a little different in every context, but it gets to your point of like the exchange of goods and services, you are ex you're for a fee. You are giving creative services and your time. And sometimes you bill for that differently, sometimes you bill for that on an hourly basis or a daily basis. And sometimes it's a per project basis. There's a lot of nuances to like how it can shake out. But at its core, it's, there's an exchange of and services Speaker 1 00:02:04 For money. Right. Did you have that sense? Like when you were a student? Speaker 0 00:02:07 No, Speaker 1 00:02:08 I don't. I didn't either, you know, I mean in a very vague way. Okay. Somebody's gonna pay me to do something, but right. It wasn't like, you know, certainly not the, even that idea of like the, like what you just said, the exchange of goods and services, right? Yeah. I was just like someone, please pay me <laugh> to make things. Speaker 0 00:02:28 Yeah. When a plumber comes to your house, you expect your pipe to not be leaking when they leave. Speaker 1 00:02:35 Right. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:02:36 So like there, there has to be like outcome attached to that as well. And we have to think about that. I think Speaker 1 00:02:44 Absolutely. Speaker 0 00:02:45 There's there's professionalism that goes along with that. Cause you know, at one point we had professionals, both a noun and an adjective. Right, right. And I think that's really important to talk about like, yes, you're a professional professional person, but you also behave professionally. Speaker 1 00:03:02 Right. So I have that. So as an adjective professional relating to, or belonging to a profession, right. So you're a part of that profession of something being in that, acting in that way. Speaker 0 00:03:14 Right. And so there's a lot of nuance to it. So a lot of that has to do with something as simple as what you wear to work. You know, if you work at an advertising agency or a studio like mine, you can wear whatever the fuck you want. Like <laugh> in fact, the more eccentric you are, probably the more interesting we're gonna think you are. Right? Like, um, but you could do that if you work at like Accenture or United or Boeing, like your bosses are essentially like engineers, you know, like they, you might be in a marketing department, but there's, you know, you're gonna be existing in a different paradigm. Speaker 1 00:03:56 Absolutely. I remember I went to visit, um, national geographic channel. I was doing projects for them back in like the, I dunno, late two thousands and, um, was down in DC, was visiting some relatives. And I was like, Hey, you guys wanna go to lunch? And so I met them for lunch and um, mm-hmm <affirmative> and they were all wearing like polo collared shirts. And I was like, interesting. I was like, I was like, do you guys have a dress code? And they were like, yeah, like business casual is a corporation, you know, is a business casual Speaker 0 00:04:24 Is, is not geo a part of Turner, Speaker 1 00:04:27 I think Fox Speaker 0 00:04:29 Fox. Okay. Well also a very conservative network. Right, Speaker 1 00:04:32 Right. Speaker 0 00:04:33 So that's something that has to be just at least thought about in this professional practices know. So like the difference between a more corporate job and a more boutique job. Absolutely. And that doesn't mean the work's that different? Speaker 1 00:04:48 No, not at all. Right. It's just, what are the, the kind of expectations of that particular place? I remember when I, um, started working as a, as a creative director feeling like I should probably get 'em like collared shirts <laugh> and I remember I got, cause I think I just had T I mean I'd worn t-shirts. That was my that's what I wore forever. Yeah. And, and I remember, I thought I was getting really fancy. I got like a penguin T like a penguin polo with a collar. Right. And it's basically just a polo, it's like a polo, but like a little more of a hip polo. And I thought I was really upping my, my professional dress code. Right. Yeah. But then when I went to teach at, uh, the SCD there's, there's a dress code. Right. And it's oh, I didn't know that. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And, and I was always Speaker 0 00:05:36 Wondering why you were in, in button downs and like, right. Speaker 1 00:05:39 Yeah. No, um, no jeans, no, t-shirts no jeans. No, t-shirts really no sneakers, you know? So it was, uh, so I, I went to the, the Brooks brothers outlet, so, and I started <laugh>. Yeah. Well, because they have these non iron button downs, right? Oh yeah. I, I have this, this color. Yeah, totally. Cause it's just like, so I, I got a bunch of those and then I got a bunch of like slacks and, and, um, I kind of would try to push the line of like, like dressy sneaker <laugh> you know, you mean or, or throw on Myss. Yeah. Well, at the same time too, like, especially my first year, I wore high the first year of teaching there, because one, I just thought it was fun. It was like, I was playing dress up a little bit. Cause it's like, all right. I spent the bulk of my career to that point wearing t-shirts to work and dressing, like I was in sixth grade. Right. And, and all sudden like, oh cool. I get to like dress up. And I got these fun, like, like suit vests. Right. And I wear a lot of those fun suit vests. And, um, I Speaker 0 00:06:40 Can't remember seeing it's interesting when we were doing like the montage for our teaser. I was like, why do you, why are you, I just remember Speaker 1 00:06:48 Thinking like the, are you dressed Speaker 0 00:06:51 Like this? Speaker 1 00:06:52 Well, you know what, when I first started, it was kind of a good thing because I've I've Ooh, nice pin. Now Speaker 0 00:06:59 I gotta send you some, Speaker 1 00:07:00 I'm kind of a, I got a baby face. Right. I mean, now I grow a big old beard, but so it makes me look older. But when I shave this, I look like I'm like 12 years old. So when I first started teaching, I mean, like everyone thought, I, you know, I just looked like a student, even though I was like 30, 30 something at, I look like I was like a young 20. And so wearing this, you know, wearing the, the dress Speaker 0 00:07:24 Made you feel the park. Speaker 1 00:07:25 Yeah. And it was like a branding thing. Like the tie helped to kind of let the students know that I was actually their professor and not just another student. Speaker 0 00:07:37 What else are we gonna talk about? The there's lots of areas of professional practice that we're gonna get really, really, really deep on over the course. And it's gonna be like our professional practices series. So one is kind of understanding where you're applying. How do you decide that, um, all of that. Speaker 1 00:07:55 So that idea of areas of practice yes. I think is, is a good way to, to frame it, Speaker 0 00:08:00 To sum it up a Speaker 1 00:08:02 <laugh> what kinda, what kinda, what kind of job do you want? What, cause there are different types. That's another thing I didn't really know. Like it's just there's and when I say naive, I don't mean it in a negative at all. It's just a normal part. I was very naive because I just didn't know. I hadn't been to that yet. And absolutely. You know, but something I try to do in, in my class is to talk about this idea of areas of practice and, and right. And I have a little, a little chart, a little infographic, get it. There we go. So on this vertical axis, we're looking at, uh, what do I do full time up top fulltime job on the, on the other side of that is freelance. Right? So there's like, you can work in a full-time capacity work in a freelance capacity. Speaker 1 00:08:46 And then there's this horizontal access where we go from consistency to variety. Right. So do, are you the kind of person who likes to work on the same type of thing, like to be, you know, so working in house at a brand, right, right. If you work for Nike, you're gonna be working on Nike, that's on Nike. You're going, you know, there's gonna be variety within that, but that's still like you're working for that brand versus working at, you know, CKI or any kind of creative agency you're gonna be working on. A lot of, you might be working on Nike one week, you might be working on, you know, something totally different the next week and right. Even in a day, right. Like you might be working on multiple projects at the same time for different brands, because true story. It's the get, you know, so with this chart, like what I actually have students do, like me, I'm like here, <laugh> right. You're on freelancer who works on lots of different kinds of things. Right? Like, Speaker 0 00:09:39 So you're on the other side. You're on variety side. Speaker 1 00:09:42 Am I? Oh yeah. Thanks. Okay. Yeah. <laugh>, let's put this back in the mistakes episode. There we go. <laugh> um, I'm like, we're here and I actually, I will, I'll put this up on the, on the wall. Right. And then students will go up and they'll kind of be like, I'm over. I'd like to be here or I'd like to be, you know, and let them kind of think about, and I always say that it's like, look, just because you say that now, like that's not, it might change. Yeah. This isn't fixed set in stone. But if you can have at least a sense of where you'd like to go, totally could, you could save a lot of energy by not targeting some of these other areas that you're not as interested in. Yeah. Now I think it's important, really important. The thing is say's like, look in the beginning, you just gotta get your foot in the door, got the job somewhere anywhere, like do do something. So you might wanna be a fulltime at a brand. Right. Right. But all you're getting is, you know, opportunities to do some, some junior freelance stuff here. That's fine. Do it. Right. Like, that'll get, you need to get your foot in the door to eventually get wherever it is you want to get to. Speaker 0 00:10:53 So we talked about what kind of jobs we talked about where, Speaker 1 00:10:57 Oh yeah. What do you do? <laugh> what does a designer actually do? Yeah. What's the role, right? How do you fit? Speaker 0 00:11:04 Yeah. And I was actually thinking, as you were talking about consistency to variety, I was thinking, you know, there's also something to be said for having such a specific job where you just layout type. They just look at you as a type, like person versus like the Jack of all generalist and oh yeah. You know, that's interesting, like it's a little more nuanced later on in your career, but the idea of specialization versus generalist could be another kind of that like X axis in that, in that graph there absolutely. You know? Absolutely. Speaker 1 00:11:35 But what do they do? Contributing contribu to a creative Speaker 0 00:11:39 Creative team. Speaker 1 00:11:40 So maybe what is that? What's a team, what's a creative team. Erin, what Speaker 0 00:11:43 Does that look like? Right. Well, you have all these different, we're gonna actually do an episode that probably isn't a professional practices episode, but an episode that really helps you understand the hierarchy of our genre, where we talk about creative directors and art directors and creative leads and senior designers, senior motion designers, producers, interns, interns, like admin stuff. We're gonna talk about that. Sales, sales, PR, all that we're gonna. So all the jobs and that's part of this profe, I guess it is part of professional practices, cuz it's a paradigm you are gonna exist in. You are a piece of this big ship and you're growing and you're doing your job, but there's gotta be other people doing their jobs too. And then you also have to understand that like a creative director in our field is different than a creative director in advert ties or, and, and so it gets a little bit fuzzy, I think for people because it is absolutely the same names. People are saying the same things, but it doesn't necessarily translate. Speaker 1 00:12:46 No. I mean, it's interesting. Cause I think in, in some ways like an art director, creative director, yes. There are the lead of the creative book. How that creative plays out very different in say production design versus motion design versus ad agencies. Totally. But we'll, we'll dig into that. I was thinking about when you're talking about the row, like the ship or you're rowing and you know, the creative directors, like the person who's yelling row, row, row, Speaker 0 00:13:11 What does that person called? Speaker 1 00:13:15 Oh, on a, on like a crew team. Isn't that like coxswain or something? Speaker 0 00:13:18 I think so. I wanted you to say, you Speaker 1 00:13:20 Didn't wanna say it <laugh> yes. You got it. What? Well played well played OVS. Okay. Speaker 0 00:13:28 I'm being very professional. Speaker 1 00:13:30 Yes. Speaker 0 00:13:34 You wrote this one. I think this is really great. What is my value proposition? Speaker 1 00:13:38 Oh yeah. Yeah. That's like, like day one of the class, like exercise one is for students to mm-hmm <affirmative> write a reflection, sort of a journal type reflection, the share worth the whole class of like, what's your value proposition? What is it that you bringing? What are you bringing to the table? What are your strengths? What are your skills? Mm-hmm <affirmative> and can you identify those accurately? <laugh> and can you communicate those in a way that's yeah. You know, with some intention again, that's another way to frame like, cause it's so funny. It's like, oh, another one of these memes. Um it's I should find it, but it's popped in my head. It's like that thing. When someone asks you to explain like what you do or like explain your strength and all of a sudden you get that you just freeze deer and headlights, sweat pouring off your face. Right. And all you forget how to talk <laugh> Speaker 0 00:14:27 Well, I mean like when I, when I'm in an elevator with somebody like the elevator pitch, if you're in, like, if you got like the president of like universal or something and you're like, who are you? Who am I Neil? Oh, I'm Aaron. Sroka, I'm a motion design, product, design driven production company, whatever. Like I gotta have that spiel down and it's gotta be ready to go, Speaker 1 00:14:47 You know, succinct, clear. And also like, I mean, I feel like this gets to become kind of like a, a, a buzz word, but authenticity, I think it being really authentic. Like, yeah, you just have to, yeah. You, you wanna feel it right. You want it to be true. And you wanna say it in a way that you believe it, because if you believe it, they're gonna believe it. Speaker 0 00:15:07 Oh, I'm all about honesty and transparency. And we just had a pitch, not a, it wasn't a pitch. It was more like a meeting to talk about capabilities, to see if they could use us in an interesting way, direct to a brand. Um, and they were like, they had a whole ton of questions. It was like a very like professional, you know, it was a very financial services company, yada yada, yada. So where having this meeting and they were like, so do you do this? And we were like, nah, like if you want, we can like facilitate working with a company, you know, and trust, or we've certainly prep files for that. But we don't, we don't do that. And we don't have, it's not your Speaker 1 00:15:46 Wheelhouse. Speaker 0 00:15:47 They were like, oh, it's so different talking to somebody that's like, not like a big that tries to, to be everything. That's Speaker 1 00:15:53 Like, we do that. We can do it. Sure. We can do that. Right. Speaker 0 00:15:57 And I'm like, no, that's, that's only what I wanna do for my life. <laugh> Speaker 1 00:16:02 Yeah, because it's like, yes, if you don't define those borders and parameters for what either you like to do or what you're capable of doing, you know, you might get stuck doing something you don't like to do, or you might get yourself in over your head trying to accomplish something. That's like, just not within your, your skillset Speaker 0 00:16:23 Or as simple as this, it's Speaker 1 00:16:24 Not fun. I've done that. I've done that before where I'm like, oh, I should have said no. <laugh> yeah, yeah. I mean it, you know, I get myself into, I don't do it as much anymore, but like photo real visual effects, 3d mm-hmm <affirmative> not my strength, not my wheelhouse, not even necessarily. I mean, it's, I appreciate it. But like every time I I've agreed to try to do that. Cause I just can't, I can't do it as well. And, and the client wants something that looks like a photograph, but 3d and that's to me a, a, a very specialized type of skillset, you know, it is, it is. Yeah. It's not it's, you know, you wanna stylize 3d, you want, you wanna like, you know, turn a logo into 3d extrude, some type do some fun, like, like, yeah, I'm all over it, but yeah, I get myself into trouble. So I had, I pass that on. I'm like, why don't you talk to so, and so why don't you talk to Connie <laugh> Speaker 0 00:17:21 I mean, like for real, for real. So that's really important. And then what we're gonna talk about, and that's along the lines of this value, proper proposition is really, truly having an accurate sense versus an inaccurate sense of your professional value. Right. And, and where it's placed in our paradigm. And that's, it gets to what you're talking about, what is my value proposition, but I find it so interesting. And even as when I, when I think about myself as a younger artist, like, I didn't understand really the context and I probably appeared to have a very big head because of it, a big ego. Speaker 1 00:18:02 Totally. Me too. I, when I said, totally, I didn't mean for you. I meant for me. Well, no, <laugh> Speaker 0 00:18:07 Cause like, as you, as you get older, I think one of the main thing that happens to you is you realize the more, you know, the more, you know, you don't know. Right. And you're open to hopefully like being taught or bringing in other people with those skills to kind of shore up any areas of expertise that you need to cover that you can't. But like that happens over time because you know, when you come outta school, especially not having really a professional practices class other than how to like make a portfolio and print it out and put it in a leather round book, <laugh> like, that was it. I, you know, that was Speaker 1 00:18:47 All no discussions. Culture. Yeah. No like real, nothing like that. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:18:54 So when you go into this world and everything is, I think for creatives, because the work ultimately that's produced is creative. We think we're the most important part of the process. Speaker 1 00:19:04 Right? We're the ones making y'all you'all about to get illuminated, Speaker 0 00:19:10 You know, like as a business owner, I can say, yeah, that's a really important part. How you make the pizza is really important. It's gotta taste good. It's gotta be the best pizza you've ever made, but like we gotta buy dough <laugh> And we gotta, you know, get people in the door and there's other areas somebody's gotta bring it to your table. There's all these other aspects of running a creative company or a division of a bigger company that's creative that you know, is functional. So it's Speaker 1 00:19:46 Just really, it all fits together Speaker 0 00:19:48 Together. Right. Right. Speaker 1 00:19:48 Okay. You know, you got me, me think it's something when we were talking about that idea of, you know, what, we don't know what we don't know. Right. That's sort of that naivety and that's, that's normal, that's natural. That's a part of the process. Right. And then there becomes, as you know, the next stage, at least for me, it's sort of, there's a, becomes an insecurity around what we don't know I had where it's like, oh wait, I don't know that. Oh, then it's like, you know? Yeah. And then that next stage of growth is embracing, Speaker 0 00:20:15 Embracing it, not knowing Speaker 1 00:20:16 Because then it's like, oh wow. I could learn something new. Right. Or just getting excited about like, and, and that's, I don't know if that's like the stages of knowing three stages of knowing <laugh> knowing Speaker 0 00:20:29 Maybe thinking, you know, not being scared about it and then being like, cool. I don't know about that. I'm gonna figure it out. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:20:37 Let's, let's figure this out. Let's figure this out. Yeah. I dunno if I've talked about this, but like that idea of like crowdsourcing learning with like students it's fun. Right. If they ask me something, I don't know, I'm like, let's figure it out. Let's find out, let's do the research, let's work on this together. And it becomes fun. Right? Yeah. Which I think, you know, is a good measure of learning. If you're enjoying probably totally. Speaker 0 00:21:02 We're gonna talk about interpreting a creative brief, um, and problem solving. Speaker 1 00:21:07 And this is like, what is a, what is a brief, right? Oh yeah. What is a brief, right? Speaker 0 00:21:12 Yeah. And then like, what Speaker 1 00:21:13 Are the different stages of problem solving? Speaker 0 00:21:16 Right. So everything from concept dev through production and finishing, finishing, and, and then how your role in that is ultimately produced. Like there's a efficiency and time and deadlines and, you know, and then finishing strong with meeting your deadlines and being on budget and having your team happy with you and having your client happy with you and cleaning up your project files when you're done archiving properly, yada, yada, yada. Right. All Speaker 1 00:21:45 Of that is a very big, a lot of diploma, a lot of managing relationships. Speaker 0 00:21:51 Okay. So, so that's like understanding the paradigm that your role is gonna fit into. And I think that's really, really, really important. So not only to become an expert at what you do, but to know that like, Hey, you're not the only one doing there's other people doing and we're all gotta be a team. <affirmative>. Yeah. Okay. So after we get through all that, we're gonna talk a lot about soft skills. I always talk about soft skills, top line it's like reliability, communication, attitude, just being a good coworker, human being, you know, all of that stuff that if you do have a big ego in that supersedes, like collaboration <laugh> is gonna be a hard go, you know, in motion design, because most of it is very collaborative, unless you're like off doing your own thing, artist style, it's just you. But even the greats collaborate, you know, because like, I know my name's on everything. I'm not the only person doing anything. Speaker 1 00:22:51 No. I mean, and even, you know, I've been working remotely solo for a long time now. Right. Um, yeah. There's still a ton of soft skills, like a ton. Cause I gotta interact with who I'm working with. Right. And I have to do that in a way that's effective. That's gotta, you know, we'll get into all that. But yeah. So important. Speaker 0 00:23:10 Yeah. So we talked about like preparation to a certain extent, but this is, uh, another thing we're gonna do a big episode on is what you need to enter the motion design workforce. So preparation, like building a, we a wheel building the Speaker 1 00:23:24 Wheel, you need to be able to build a wheel, build Speaker 0 00:23:26 The wheel. Okay. Preferably a Speaker 1 00:23:28 Wheel of cheese. <laugh> yeah. If you can do that, Aaron will hire you. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:23:35 Thank Speaker 1 00:23:35 You. Speaker 0 00:23:36 Those big wheels of like farm are, Speaker 1 00:23:40 Remember that I sent you that link when I was like, check this out. It was like a $2,000 wheel of par on cheese that weighed like 80 pounds. And I was like, I can't believe this is so expensive. <laugh> I was Speaker 0 00:23:51 Like, that's a lot of cheese. <laugh> Speaker 1 00:23:54 That? Speaker 0 00:23:55 Yeah. Okay. So not building a wheel of cheese or a wheel for your cart is a real R E E L a real. And we're actually gonna do a lot of about reels cuz we have a, an episode that's gonna be exclusively about us giving feedback to people's reels. It's called real time real talk. <laugh> Speaker 1 00:24:13 Actually, I'm still thinking about the real <laugh> Speaker 0 00:24:18 Real time talk. Speaker 1 00:24:22 We should do some fun gifts. Let's do wait. Speaker 0 00:24:26 Oh my God. Speaker 1 00:24:29 <laugh> Speaker 0 00:24:33 That reminds me of a time that we, uh, we did a, um, a CKI labs. We have this weekend workshop series and just before the pandemic hit, we did a freelancing seminar and we had all these people come to the office and it was, um, us and Joey from school emotion. And we did this thing together. I think it's available online. He had the whole crew film that he's very professional. That school emotion, they like kinda are super dialed in like that anyway. So we're doing it. And man, we proofread this deck over and over and over again. And, but it pops up and it says freeing Speaker 1 00:25:14 <laugh> That's Speaker 0 00:25:18 Freeing it just like the biggest piece of, and the whole deck is. And so freeing is funny word in our studio. Did you guys have Speaker 1 00:25:28 A big last it Speaker 0 00:25:29 Or was cringe, right? That's it, it was hilarious. The stakes were low. I mean like, all you could do is prepare, prepare, prepare. I mean, it wasn't like a main title sequence that got the delivered with somebody's name spelled wrong. Oh fuck. That. That's like, that's not good. This is like, that's just like workshop in the studio and it like proved a point. You gotta keep proofing. Speaker 1 00:25:53 I mean, we are, and we are human. You know, I deal with my students a lot. Like I will I'm like spell check <laugh>, you know, because when they pitch, when they present their decks and their piece and concepts and the process book, and I'm just like, boom type up, boom, boom, turning boom. Not left a lot. Not a line widow. Yeah. Because it's like, and, and it's, you know, I don't want to be like, it's not like trying to be like a horrible BA bastard, like calling out all the, but it's like, look like Speaker 0 00:26:22 To be like Speaker 1 00:26:23 You do. Yeah. Because it's like, look, you send this to your client. It's like, okay, that doesn't look professional. Yeah. To have a typo, especially when I'm like, you know, we all have you use an InDesign spell check. Right? The tool's there. Just ring, Speaker 0 00:26:38 Spell check. I can't, um, stress enough. Somebody having a friend that's a good editor or a good writer in a different discipline to literally look at everything. You do Speaker 1 00:26:50 Proof it proof, it Speaker 0 00:26:51 Proof your website, proof, everything. Speaker 1 00:26:53 What was the other thing I was gonna say is um, oh yeah. When the students show up late, I, I had them do a thing. Like I give everyone like a, I give them like one PREPA, cuz it's like, you know, there's traffic things happen. I get it. Right. But second time they do a style frame. Like I will not be late to class style frame. They have to do it. That's the type style frame. And I have to do a type treatment and make it, I will not relate to class. And, and then we would post it to the class Facebook group and love post it love. And, and um, some of them like, oh, you know, you're public shaming us. I'm like, well, <laugh>, I'm like, this is more about again, like how you do anything is how you do everything day. If you're gonna roll in late here, that means you might be rolling late to your job. And that means a hundred Speaker 0 00:27:39 Percent Speaker 1 00:27:40 Fired. So if I can teach you to treat this and it's tricky, cuz it's like, there's a class they're paying to come to this class. It's not like, you know, I can't fire them, but Speaker 0 00:27:50 They're disrupting the class they're coming in. There's Speaker 1 00:27:52 That too, Speaker 0 00:27:53 That other people are learning that also paid for the class. Like if you're disrespectful. Speaker 1 00:27:59 Yeah. Yeah. And then I gotta it, it interrupts my flow and I don't like that. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:28:04 If I'm late to a meeting and everybody's gotten started, they're starting over because I just got to the meeting and that feels really shitty, you know, so right. It's it's, that's a really important, I think lesson that there are consequences. Okay. I love that. So in this preparation class, this, um, professional practices episode, we're gonna cover just getting top line, good reel together. What that looks like, where it should be posted and how it can be presented like on a website. Is it Vimeo? YouTube like depends on all the thing. Speaker 1 00:28:42 All the place is Speaker 0 00:28:43 We, we talk about resume is a lot cuz we, I don't know why we do, but we do. I like them. Its an important document. Never use them. I think the act of writing a resume is maybe even more important than the resume itself. Just that collection of knowledge. It's all. Anyway, I think it's a good thing, but we'll talk about that in detail. A cover letter, Speaker 1 00:29:03 Cover letter intro, email. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:29:05 But it's like an intro introduction, email. And again, that, that also is gonna depend on where you're applying and how, you know, how they have, like we have this like interactive form that happens when you're applying and it's like, tell us a little bit about yourself. Like put your resume here, put a link to your portfolio here. Is there anything else you'd like us to know, send us the picture of your pet. Like, you know what I mean? Like that's our process. So it gives you an indication of our culture. But like again, if you're applying at Deloitte or Accenture or something like that, it might need to be a little bit more traditional, so right. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:29:41 I was gonna say, what might be interesting for us to cover too is just like employable skills right. In the context, right? Like what are those? And mm-hmm <affirmative> you know, to what degree do they matter? Right. Right. Like typography I think is a huge, yeah. Huge. Speaker 0 00:29:58 Huge. Speaker 1 00:29:59 Okay. Speaker 0 00:29:59 We're also talk, talk about your social media presence. So you might think it doesn't Speaker 1 00:30:05 Matter. Get one, get one. Speaker 0 00:30:07 Well get one and be careful Speaker 1 00:30:09 Establishment folks. <laugh> I do I get some students who are just like, you know, they're just not like there's and I get it and I'm like LinkedIn, then just have a LinkedIn cuz you can apply it for jobs. Yeah. Do that. Speaker 0 00:30:22 Okay. So this has been a good episode <laugh> Speaker 1 00:30:25 Yes. Speaker 0 00:30:26 And keep it, Speaker 1 00:30:27 Keep it professional. <laugh> Speaker 0 00:30:28 Keep it it professional. Well, it's a lot of food for thought, you know what I mean? Like there's nuance to everything and everybody's a unique person and they gotta see how they fit into whatever paradigm they wanna make for them. So those we're just, hopefully here, we're putting ourselves out there to say what we've learned. Speaker 1 00:30:48 Yeah. And learning how to navigate these sort of professional waters because it's, there's, there's different layers to it and yeah, I think, you know, again, just bringing it back to that, like you want to be authentic. You want to keep your, you gotta kind of understand the landscape and, and, and learn how to um, I don't know. I lost my thought. Speaker 0 00:31:11 Well you gotta, you gotta learn how to, to a certain extent in yeah. You know, Speaker 1 00:31:16 That's it learn how to do that. Speaker 0 00:31:19 Yeah. And how to make yourself of service and, and not super fucking annoying. Speaker 1 00:31:25 Yes. Be of service and that's have service. No, that's, that's probably the thing. And that's what helps me the most is like when I get lost in my ego, um, or, or just uncertainness is like, okay, what's the maximum service to this point in the process. If I can kind of fall back on that, I can get it on my own way. Speaker 0 00:31:42 Right. Great. Well, thank you Austin. It's been a fun day. Speaker 1 00:31:46 Thank you, Aaron. Speaker 0 00:31:48 It's been wheel. Yeah. Speaker 1 00:31:50 It's been wheel. Speaker 0 00:31:51 It's been wheel Speaker 3 00:31:52 <laugh>.