Reflections

Speaker 0 00:00:01 Hi, I'm Aaron Swarovski Speaker 1 00:00:03 And I'm Austin. Speaker 0 00:00:05 This is between the keywords We are live recorded. I heard that somewhere. Yeah. Well, hi Austin. Good to see you. Nice to see you too. Yeah. Okay. So for everybody else, welcome back to what is the second season of between the key frames we are in a new year, but we're still home. So nothing's changed. And we're going to start the second season off by reflecting on the first season and what we've learned about ourselves and the community. You talk about some of the comments and dive in this episode is going to be called reflections. So yeah, Speaker 1 00:00:56 Let's do it. So Erin, this, this kind of content, what have we learned about this kind of content in the industry and what's out there and what maybe makes us a little different? Speaker 0 00:01:06 Yeah. So I think we've always wanted to be a little bit different than what other people were making and putting out there. And I think our point of view is pretty different because, you know, if you look at the landscape of what's out there, you have a lot of conferences and speakers and other podcasts, but they focus on either work as inspiration. So like, look at this amazing work don't you want to be like this? Do you want to make this kind of stuff? And that, like, you know, as you say, kind of creates that desire to be a motion designer and especially like an elite motion designer, other kind of content focuses on process, very tutorial oriented. And then you have these other especially podcasts that tend to be very guest focused. So finding these elite artists and interviewing them, talking about what their passions and inspirations are, how they got there. And then of course talking about the work that they make that is so, you know, visible. So I think for us, we're trying to teach people or talk about not so much teach, but talk about how to navigate the industry from an artistic and emotional and a business perspective. And that's the between stuff, you know? Speaker 1 00:02:18 Absolutely. And, and, and not that, and all of those highlights that you talked about, those are super important, right? Like the amazing pieces, the feature articles or interviews, the tutorials, like we need all those things, but those are, those are essentially key frames, right. And we want to examine what goes on between those, what, what, what's the line that connects them? What's that path like how you get there. Speaker 0 00:02:43 I love that as a visual too, because when I think about, you know, the, the curves between your key frames, like very practically speaking, there's ups, there's downs, there are uses in their disease out. And that, like, it makes me think about, you know, the process, you know, there are ups and downs. You do ease in you. Sometimes it takes reflecting on the work you've done to realize how far you've come, you know, or leaving a job and going to a new job or something like that. And that's kind of the space where playing Speaker 1 00:03:12 Sometimes it's a hold key frame. You just, you feel stuck Speaker 0 00:03:19 Force, quit, Speaker 1 00:03:21 Restart, restart. Speaker 0 00:03:24 I love it. I love that. Um, okay. So what else, what, what do you think that we, in terms of like, reflecting on the things we've learned, what do you think we're trying to talk about that other people aren't, you know, Speaker 1 00:03:43 I think one of, one of the areas is, is it vulnerability right. Being vulnerable, right. And just how important that is. And there's a ton of literature out there. There's a lot of really cool stuff around it, but I know for me being vulnerable is what makes us human. And it's also that area where we can grow. And even when bringing speakers in the talk to students to talk to my classes, that's always the best when, when they get real, when a speaker gets real, because then it shows a student that's like, oh, they're just a person. They're just a person, a little further along the line. I can potentially get where they are. And then even for me, this, you know, I've adapted this, uh, this monitor my, my students have given me hashtag middle-aged in the digital digital age middle-aged and the digital age. Speaker 1 00:04:31 And so, and I like it because it's, you know, that's, I've had to do that. That's been a vulnerability for me where some of the newer social media going back a few years when these platforms were coming out Instagram, just having to kind of ask the students like, Hey, help me, help me get on these platforms. And, and that being vulnerable, like that has allowed me to basically get on the train right. Of, of what's happening and to be able to evolve with this industry and, and stay relevant and also just to expand my practice and, and, uh, I don't know, keep growing, keep learning. Speaker 0 00:05:09 Yeah. I think that's awesome. Like vulnerability is probably key amongst, like, it's like the top tier thing that we're talking about, you know what I mean? And hopefully it's coming through, when we talk about like the mistakes we've made, when we, when we talk about honor self criticism and honest industry criticism, not that we have all the answers, but just in talking about it. And then, especially as we talk about things like individual decorum, like how, you know, an artist can function best practices wise in a business, you know? So, um, I think that that's really, really cool. Speaker 1 00:05:45 I think there's a sort of a right size newness to that too. That is just kind of the expectations I find a lot of students put on themselves and we've talked about that idea too. It's like what, you know, students think they need to be at a certain level of expertise, you know, going into the industry. And really all they need to do is be show potential, right? Have some of their skills, like be able to kind of enter into a workforce. Right. That's okay. They're not expected to be masters or experts. Speaker 0 00:06:17 That's great. And I think that gets into the next thing that we've learned, which is who our audiences and how they're different than we expected. I know me. And you always talk about like how you and I kind of bridged that gap between educational point in somebody's career and the professional point and how we can kind of speak to that transition. So I thought that we would be pretty focused on that kind of helping people ease into, oh my God. Speaker 0 00:06:53 But I think, you know, we've, uh, realized that, you know, we're also talking to the established professional that is potentially looking for what's next. So you're a great animator. You're a great artist. You aren't been full-time somewhere or thinking about going freelance, like you're, you're cluing into that full-time freelance episode to hear what's going on or to listen to a passion projects episode, if you're feeling like stuck in your career, or just like, you're not making all the things you want to make or whatever, you know what I mean? So I feel like we've, we've got a bunch of listeners that way. And then lastly, I'm very surprised about this, but like the old timers are coming out of the woodwork, like our age. So not that old, but like old timers, as far as the industry's going saying, Hey, I listened to that episode and like really spoke to me and they've been doing it for a long time. And I think it's because we are getting vulnerable and talking about our careers in a bigger picture way and not just project to project, you know? Speaker 1 00:07:54 And I think it's something I spend a lot of time thinking about. I teach professional practices classes. I work with students who are preparing to enter their careers in that that is such a critical time. Those first few months after graduation, first three to six months, that I'm always like, you've got to that transition time. You have to get your foot in the door somewhere. Right. No matter if it's an internship, if it's in a junior freelance, like whatever it is. And I mean, part of it is, is, is about that experience. And it's about networking. It's about building the real, but really, I think the thing is about shaping the identity of yourself as a professional, right. And the only way to do it is to be in that environment in some way, even if it's like for me getting coffee at scanning things, you know, and then getting the jump on and look at a senior artists, working on something and ask some questions. Um, and as you were saying about the more established professional, the, for them, I think it is like, when you're, you know, now what you know, is this right? What do I do here? Whether it is, do I want to level up, do I want to do a passion project or is it maybe I need to find an adjacent career? I may be something that's aligned, but somewhat different. Right. I mean, here I am, I sort of have the dual career of, of freelance commercial artist and educator. Right. And finding fulfillment with that balance. Speaker 0 00:09:20 Yeah. And Speaker 1 00:09:21 Author and author that's right. Just finishing up textbook number two. We'll, uh, we'll talk more about that in some future episodes, but the other thing, um, this demystification, right. Speaker 0 00:09:38 And, and thing Speaker 1 00:09:39 That we've learned. Yeah. So maybe talk a little bit about that. Like what, what is this demystification process? Speaker 0 00:09:47 I mean, like, we've definitely learned that we're demystifying. What I think is kind of a closed door industry a little bit. We're kind of like creating a peek inside without somebody being in a studio or in a corporate setting or something like that. So we're just kind of, I would think like when I started this career, I didn't know if I would make money. I had like, absolutely no idea. I did it because I was passionate about it and I enjoyed it. But I think, you know, when you go into a career in the arts or you tell your parents, you want to go to art school and you're thinking about being a motion designer, they think that's the equivalent of going to draw, how are you going to make? And of course you could make a great living as an illustrator, but if coming from a parent's perspective, they might be like, you want to spend how much money on school or know to draw. You're already can draw, like what's going on there. So I think just in mystifying the career as a real legitimate career, where you can make a very, very good living, like a very good living. Um, and, and that's a big deal. Cause I don't think people necessarily know that when they kind of stumble upon it or research it, you know, Speaker 1 00:10:59 Right. That this is actually a viable, you can make a good living as a creative professional. And I think part of it is just knowing that, um, it's not just, Hey, I just want to do whatever I want every day. Like you do need to learn how to be a creative service provider. You need to be able to exactly like how to work with a brief, how to create a problem, solve how to work with feedback potentially as a motion designer, how to collaborate. But if you can get those soft skills combined with some of those creative hard skills, you can have a great living. Speaker 0 00:11:33 Yeah. And I think it then comes down to the last thing we've learned that I feel like we could end every single episode with where began every single episode with the, you talk about a lot, this idea of adapting or die, you adapt or die. You either roll with social media, you roll with the deliverables, you evolve your career, or you just stay stagnant. Speaker 1 00:11:55 Absolutely. I mean, I think about essentially my entire now going about 20 year career right. Started with standard definition, had to learn how to work with high definition had, and then learn how to work with all the different social media sizes and all the different formats. And even as a professor, right, the last couple of years, I had to learn how to adapt from ink in the classroom to how to teach in unzoom and how to teach for a moat and how to make prerecorded videos. And, and it's, I think, you know, I actually did have a reflection on this that I think is kinda cool is that that's kind of like working with a brief, right? Every time we get a brief, it's a new, it's a new project that you have to adapt to what that brief is asking. Yeah. And I think that that's actually trained me and probably most of us about how to adapt in our careers. Right. Cause that's essentially what we do all the time with these project. And it's a, I mean, it probably speaks a little bit to generalists to, you know, just that generalist skill set is quite adaptable. So, um, I'm glad to be a generalist person. Speaker 0 00:13:02 Yeah, me too. Generally speaking. Speaker 1 00:13:06 Cool. Speaker 0 00:13:10 We have learned or taught me and you just personal fee. We ever learned that it's not easy to be fucking podcast that, you know, it's not just like setting up your computer and like hitting go, it's like way more complicated to just create the content. But then it's also getting it out there doing a little marketing and social media and, and put, you know, putting it out there. It's like, that takes a whole other kind of work. So, so like props to all the people that can stick with podcasting and like really, you know, make a habit of it, you know, because it's not like something foam, you turn on the camera and you're done. Like there's stuff that goes into it. Our editors had a lot of feedback for us. I think the top line stuff was that we not talk over each other, which I've already seen myself doing to you. I think that was more feedback for me. They asked us to not do a seamless take, which I was surprised about, but you know, the way we've kind of built these as chapterized and they'd really liked that. And it gives them an opportunity to, you know, and that, Speaker 1 00:14:17 Oh, I was going to say, I was gonna say, yeah, I was like, I would be patient. I try not to talk over. But um, that whole idea of not the seamless take, I mean, my mind goes right to like an after effects comp where I'm like, oh, it doesn't have to be a seamless camera move. I can, I can have cuts. I can have multiple cameras I can have takes. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:14:33 That's great. I mean, that's great. Cause you know, we could also just record a chunk instead of doing everything in one day, which, you know, kills our whole weekend. Most of the time, the other thing they told us to do was to be shorter, to like, be more succinct with our stories. And I think that's like something I shouldn't expand on, Speaker 1 00:14:55 Keep it short and sweet. Speaker 0 00:14:56 Yeah. I, and of course not to repeat what each other says, like that's so unnecessary and you could just say good point and move on. Like just because you say something a certain way doesn't mean I have to emphasize it, make it more important by saying it again. It's just like, nah, let Austin have that move on. I think we have goals that like w you know, some based on like what we've learned, not only do we want to be better communicators and better podcasters they'd casters, we want to become less self-aware of the camera. Totally. And I think how we do that is to continue to very much prepare, but also have fun and just eat your, enjoy each other as friends and collaborators, which is why we started doing this. I think, you know, the feedback we got about the first season is like, as we kind of loosened up and got funner with each other people enjoy the episodes more so, Speaker 1 00:15:50 And that's the same thing I've learned in, in making prerecorded videos for my classes, being in a zoom call, if I'm having fun much better chance that the audience is having fun. Um, I was going to ask one thing too. Uh, what, what if for you, what have you gained from this? Like, what has been some of the benefits for you doing this project? Speaker 0 00:16:12 I mean, it makes me more self-aware in the moment when I'm dealing with HR stuff, especially in business stuff, especially like the, like kind of this gray area that like I, uh, Korean and I call myself a creative director. I am a creative director, but I also like own this company. And so if there's an HR problem that can't be handled just like by HR, it's going to get elevated to me. And so everything we talk about, all the people that we've been talking about and talking to in doing our research, like that's all informing how I run and operate my business on a day-to-day basis. Cool. What about Speaker 1 00:16:54 Cool. For me? I think one of the things I enjoy is that I have, um, I'm able to, to reach a wider audience than just my students. Right. Then I'm able to kind of put some of these same ideas and practices and things I've learned, uh, just to a bigger, right. Put it out there, put it out to that, to the mod and, and that, that can affect people. And that can reach someone who I in a day to day, normally aren't, aren't able to reach it. Yeah. Speaker 0 00:17:22 Oh, that's lovely. Okay. So some top line info here over 6,000 people watched these videos, then that blow your mind. Speaker 1 00:17:37 Yeah. All these people Speaker 0 00:17:40 Put, like, how do I hire them? Our most popular video by far by like three times was the history of now. And I think I know why because Ryan Summers tweeted about it and that guy has involved, sir, following. I think it's true. I think like the more people talk about these individual episodes, like the more traction they're going to get, but some other popular videos with mistakes. I think we had a good time talking about that and people enjoy that. Speaker 1 00:18:10 And then he makes them Speaker 0 00:18:12 Full-time versus freelance was very important that you part very in like a very highly viewed, also very important, but high views and then work from home. Also got a lot of, of views. I Speaker 1 00:18:26 Know, Speaker 0 00:18:29 I know, but I thought people would be sick and tired of hearing about it. Yeah. Work from home we're home. We got, but no. And so, you know, over the season we got a ton of comments and we were just going to share some of them. So this is like the comments section of today's reflections episode. Speaker 1 00:18:48 Cool. All right. I'll kick it off with a comment from real time. Real talk. You had another awesome episode. I appreciate the fact that you guys actually went in and recut the w the real, I don't think I've ever seen another channel go that far to help someone see how they can improve their work. So that's super cool. And I was gonna say, that's basically like a practice that I've done. I've done a lot of these demo, real cutting workshops with students for lots of years. So it's, it's pretty fun to be able to, to do that for a bigger audience. Speaker 0 00:19:19 Yeah. That's super cool. Um, on the producers episode, we've got a ton of comments, which I think speaks to the desire to maybe hear more about that. But the first comment was I've considered shifting to a producer here and there, this one stirred a lot of new thoughts around that super insightful. And I think that was the point. I mean, if you don't know, you should know that we're as an industry in a producers shortage. So it does make sense for some artists who are like highly organized and like very, that was it left or right. Brain, whatever the side of the brain that makes sense for that statement is, but you know, that, that have those like personality traits that we outlined to like really think about it. And then another comment was, wow, that's some insight not in the industry yet, but it helps understand the role of the producer as creatives. Speaker 0 00:20:11 I think we sometimes underestimate the value of basic managerial tasks that are having to do with organizing and scheduling. And that is exactly why we did that episode so that you could, as listeners, if you don't understand how important producers are to the process, that you, you grow to have an appreciation for what they're doing and treat them with respect and dignity, because they make your job a lot easier. I'm surprised. Like I got a little feedback from some of my team, uh, producers that wasn't like a comment in the comment section, but it was like, oh, you did an episode about producers without Talking to a freezer. Okay. Noted. So that's going to be something you see and Puffing episodes. Speaker 1 00:21:02 Yeah, Speaker 0 00:21:04 Absolutely. Okay. What was the next one? Full-time person. Speaker 1 00:21:08 Yeah. Full time. You want me to take this one? Go for it. Okay. Full-time versus freelance. Can't wait for part two, love this for someone who's only experienced motion design from school of motion, this is super helpful. Um, you know, I mean, it's, I think it's fun to that. Like essentially we've, we've fulfilled both roles, right? Um, you've been full time, whether it's as an employee or as your own owning your studio, I've been, I've been freelance essentially the whole time. Uh, so for us to be able to talk about the ins, the outs, the pros, the cons it's, um, cause there are two different modalities and ways of working and, and they're both valid. And I always think it's just about, you gotta find what works, what's the best fit for each person, Speaker 0 00:21:54 For your family, for your life that you want to have. And that's going to change over your life and over the course of the trends in the industry, you know? Um, so I think that's really important to just think about, you know, the next comment was, um, passion projects. I bought Austin's book a couple months ago and it's a fairly old MoGraph and as a fairly old MoGraph keys or myself, it's really great to hear them discussing how to get over burnout, lovely episode, keep them going. Yeah. Something again, people don't really talk about like burnout. Speaker 1 00:22:31 It's real. It's really got to sustain yourself passion, right? Like, I mean, I think that's the opposite of, you know, of burnout is passionate. The opposite of passion is burnout right here. Okay. Here we go. History of now yes. This podcast, but the audio goes a lot up and down. We'd love if you maybe we'll put a compressor on the audio. Thanks for recruiting initiative. We're learning, we're learning. Speaker 0 00:22:57 That was like our first episode that we recorded. So we recorded it. Like how many times I'm surprised we were still enthusiastic For it all our first couple of episodes where we're like, well, we fucked that one up. Well, we fucked that one up. I love this next comment. Well, I don't know. Work from home. There was just a comment that said all cabs in all caps, remote, whatever you want to call it. We all had to go home. So Speaker 1 00:23:24 We did this one. Get you bent out of shape a little bit. Like there were yelling. I Speaker 0 00:23:29 Take offense to the all caps Speaker 1 00:23:31 Where they could have been, like, they could have been shouting, like remote. Like we love it. Speaker 0 00:23:35 I think it was like, it's not work from home. It's remote. You stupid fuckers. That's how I read that. Speaker 1 00:23:42 I was just saying, yeah, I was like, we're all I was like, Speaker 0 00:23:47 But you know, I mean, some people work from like a, we work space and people work from all. I think we were talking more about it as like literally everybody had to go home Speaker 1 00:23:58 And it also kind of like has a rhetorical flow working from home. I get it. It flows the, Speaker 0 00:24:04 Yeah, but that said, we talk about our remote workflow. Now when we talk about it, like people could be anywhere and we work no matter what happens in the world. So on our feedback episode, we got a monster comment and the way it started, I was like, oh man, Speaker 1 00:24:24 You want me to read the first line? He goes, he goes, you asked for feedback. So here it comes. It's like, oh shit, I'm about to get roasted. And they wrote, I love, love your podcast. I'm a father of three who was about to go back to full-time freelancing while I know it is most likely the right move for my career skills in life. I'm also worried failing at this point in my life is not an option. And that's, that's big, you know, because I do, I remember like, you know, being a 20 something, living by myself in New York city, like I could take some risks right there. Wasn't I didn't, you know, I didn't have a family, I didn't have a mortgage. Uh, it was okay to F up, you know? So I get that. I get that kind of feeling. I mean, where I am now, the stakes are a little higher. There are people count on me. Speaker 0 00:25:13 Awesome. Well, a comment continues. It goes a lot of my fears come from some of the situations you're describing and hearing that those situations are common and learning how successful people deal with them is pure gold. On top of that, having the opportunity here to point of view of a studio owner, thank you is pretty unique and eye opening. I love the laid back approach to the format of your podcast. It feels real relatable even though really say I edit even. I really can't think of anything. I don't love about it. However, Speaker 0 00:25:48 Ideas. I hope that's okay. And again, when I read the however, I was like, oh shit, but no, it's just more ideas for things that we should talk about or cover. It would be great. If so, not all of your podcasts for live well that's feedback, but here's the thing, like I'm very against that. And here's why I tend to talk very unfiltered. And we liked that about the podcast. We we'd have conversation, but I really do need the opportunity to like remove some of the things I say, because it is that appropriate that I be saying also we do a lot of preparation and sometimes like, they start, we start to get long-winded and we want to rerecord it for it to be shorter because like, we don't want to, this. Isn't like a, a true crimes podcast. This is like a professional practice. Speaker 1 00:26:40 It's not a true Speaker 0 00:26:44 Maybe season three, if we run out of stuff. But then he went on. I assume he, well, yeah, he said, he's a father, right? Yes. Then you went out to say that you would like to get the opportunity to ask questions. And I, I say, ask away, email us, do all the things like we will, we will create either social content or separate standalone episodes to actually address what you're asking for. So that's like a big deal. And he also went on to say for long COVID you should have a patron so that we get a chance to reward you for such amazing content. I was like, I agree with that. Whoever wants to Patriot Patriot away. Speaker 1 00:27:24 Well, Patrion it's like a platform. Speaker 0 00:27:27 What does that mean? Speaker 1 00:27:28 Oh, it's an actual, it's like a, um, a creators, I think creators platform. So if you have a Patrion, you can make content available for your patrons and you could have different levels. So they can be like free content. It's like $5. You could have tiers. So they do $5 a month. They get this access that they do $20 a month to get more access. Speaker 0 00:27:51 I feel like we're going to have to be much more professional. Speaker 1 00:27:54 If they do like a hundred dollars a month, they can come and talk to us. I don't know. I dunno. I'll read the next one. Also, here are a few topic ideas. I would love to hear your point of view on work life balance. When having a family, we can totally talk a lot about that. Dealing with imposter syndrome, feeling confident. I don't know. Aaron errands does not get imposter syndrome. She's she's immune to it. Uh, time management being an expert, as opposed to being a generalist, the pros and cons. I mean, Speaker 0 00:28:26 I feel like we seek that in here and there, but we could talk more specifically about that. Speaker 1 00:28:31 Um, ways to feel creatively fulfilled in a professional environment, passion projects, Speaker 0 00:28:38 Passion projects, maybe that episode might be for you, tips and tricks for introverted people. I think that's a great one because the introverts kind of sometimes tend to be overlooked in a studio setting or a business setting. So, so that's a fair, fair comment. Your story and your dreams for your own career. That's fun. I agree. We should talk about ourselves more. Well, what, um, what are the things that inspired you most and why books, movies, music, you know, I think we should keep like a running list of that somewhere. Maybe it's not so much a podcast, maybe it's social content, Speaker 1 00:29:16 A hundred years of solitude of that book. Love it. Speaker 0 00:29:21 Um, I'm reading. What is it? The, the talent code right now at Austin. Speaker 1 00:29:27 Very good. Good stuff. We got an episode. There's a suggestion for the whole system. We're planning on that creatively fulfilled. Speaker 0 00:29:38 It depends on the day, but yes, we could talk that, um, Speaker 1 00:29:42 They're asking for book recommendations. There's a, a really good book. It's called design for motion. Um, no, but we can do that. We can get some book recommendations going. Speaker 0 00:29:53 I think that's great. And then he went on to say, but I'll stop here. Thank you guys so much for what you're doing. It's amazing. Thank you. Thank you for that. Awesome comment. It really, you showed vulnerability in there and talked about, you know, where you're at and you shared ideas for things that we could talk about to make the show better. And that's absolutely the kind of stuff we want to hear from you, whether it's in the comment section, whether it's email to us, whether it's like on the submission form on the website, all of that, we're down for it. All right. Awesome. What do we want to be doing more of in 2022? Speaker 1 00:30:31 Okay. We've got some more interviews lined up. Yup. Speaker 0 00:30:34 Especially with producers. We want to talk to them and hear what they think of their profession. Speaker 1 00:30:40 That's right. We've also got a fun, uh, mentorship episode set up with Aaron taking the lead as a female mentor. Speaker 0 00:30:49 Yeah. I love the idea of that. People have wanted to hear more of that from me and I've been a little hesitant. So I'm finally excited to go there and chat with women about how meaningful female mentorship looks like. And then just, what is it? You know, how is it different then we're going to get into more real time, real talk. Speaker 1 00:31:09 That's right. We're going to get back into, uh, after facts. We're going to cut up some, we're going to couple of real, uh, give some tips and tricks on that. Speaker 0 00:31:19 We're going to talk more about historical stuff, either pepper it in, or maybe have some standalone episodes. I think that was really well received last year, Speaker 1 00:31:27 Right? On a more granular on professional practices. We have a whole series of those setups and we're going to, we're going to break that down. Speaker 0 00:31:36 That's awesome. We're going to talk about NFTs. That's it? Speaker 1 00:31:41 That's it NFTs and FTS. Uh, very importantly. We're going to talk about how to handle conflicts, right? Because they do happen in any culture, any professional, um, atmosphere, things go wrong. So what do you do? How do you handle it? Speaker 0 00:31:56 Yeah, not just like in general, but like things might go wrong with a client. Things might go wrong internally with you and your creative director or you and appear or, you know, anything can happen. So we're going to just talk about how to handle the conflicts. And then lastly, we are going to talk about the whole system that's right. Speaker 1 00:32:14 First ins the outs first hold second, hold Speaker 0 00:32:18 I Speaker 1 00:32:18 Challenge challenge booked. What do you do? How do you handle it? Why, why is it there? Right. I mean, all of these things, it's really important for studios, but it's also really important for, for a freelancer and understand why this system is in place, had an advocate at what's the etiquette. Um, how do you keep your reputation? And uh, yeah. And then from the studio side, Speaker 0 00:32:43 Yeah, it holds system is really important from the studio perspective. It's how we manage challenge. That's not full-time and a lot of studios now, especially as there is like a big push for artists to go freelance, there probably has to be a little bit more empathy on the studio who is trying to book you and to staff jobs. So, um, the whole system we're going to, we're going to do that and really talk about it and get into it. There's gonna be other stuff that we talk about. It's going to be woven in. I'm really excited about this season. It's stuff people have been asking for and stuff we've wanted to put out there. So I'm pumped for it Speaker 1 00:33:18 Right on. And the good news is, is, uh, I just finished writing a new book. I think I might've mentioned it, but that was taking a lot of my time. So now that that's done, I'm excited to be able to put more energy back into, into this project. Speaker 0 00:33:32 The two, I think we didn't really close the season, like very, in a big way last year, we just kind of put up an episode and now I'm like, okay, we're going to take a break and come back in the new year. So this year I also want to be much more, you know, communicative with our audience and kind of let them know what we're doing as we're doing it and what to look forward to. Yeah. I get that dialogue going a little bit more, maybe on social and all the things so cool. All right, everybody. Thank you, Austin. For chatting with me and reflecting with me, it's going to be a good year. I'm excited. We just recorded this last section, like 10 times what we want to do more. So this is it. This was the best take. So this is the one. All right.